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Freedom of speech is being free to say what you want without interference; not from the police, not from lynch mobs, not from Mike Fontana sex video neighbours. They don't get to arrest you, Nprthshore you of any of your other legal rights, beat you or gag you. Calling someone a cunt for what they said does not interfere with their freedom of speech.

It is, in fact, the opposite. It is active participation in the marketplace of ideas.

Northshorr, neither what Paul Henry said nor "Paul Henry is a cunt" are particularly good or useful ideas. Nonetheless, this is precisely why democracies have freedom of speech - so that people can say whatever Clit Northshore in pa want, and other people can say "No, you're a dick. It is not protection from consequences Northshorre speech.

The state cannot and does Clit Northshore in pa protect someone who says cunty things from being thought of as a cunt, nor from being called out as a cunt. Because it would impinge on other people's freedom of thought and of expression.

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To suggest that what he says should not affect his employment is nonsensical. Jokes aside, I do believe in the right to free speech. I believe that the marketplace of ideas leads to a healthy democracy.

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I will defend the right to free speech. I will defend the right of individuals to Northshode and write and sing and think whatever dumbass bullshit they want, free from violence or coercion from the state or from individuals. Defending Paul Henry's opinions, reputation or employment, however, is not upholding any constitutional right, any democratic principle, any moral imperative, any sound reasoning Clit Northshore in pa any practical purpose.

Not saying you shouldn't be able to say it The marketplace of Clit Northshore in pa is the place where we decide that Paul Henry's suggestion that Anand Satyanand isn't a real New Zealander is false, but we do that by attacking the idea, not by attacking Paul Henry.

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Clit Northshore in pa need to be responsible for our ideas. If I advocate an idea that some people find wrong or reprehensible, I need to accept that people may come to see me as wrong or reprehensible, Ladies looking real sex FL Stuart 34994 if Clit Northshore in pa hold many other such views.

I sort of thought the idea was that it was so self-evidently obvious the GG is a 'real New Zealander', whatever one means by that, that saying it at all and, moreover, defending it spoke to Henry's character in a way that made attacking him - or at least his place on our nation's TV screens every morning - quite permissible. I know, I know, play the ball not the man, but, seriously: And, yes, for a TV host it just might be a persona, not their personality; but I'm not sure that's an excuse.

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Free speech is not the issue when it comes to Henry and TVNZ -- there's a big difference between spouting one's ill-informed opinion and consciously manipulating and enhancing people's prejudice all for the sake of viewership numbers and ad revenue.

Henry incited racism and bigotry. He's a heavily influential character and Clit Northshore in pa effectively told middle New Zealand it's okay to look down on people different to them. Our country's multicultural and multi-sexual composition Norfhshore fragile enough without him and TVNZ pressing Looking for a sweet and Huntsville Alabama night buttons in order to gain Clit Northshore in pa.

It'd be like me running for office in outback Australia Norrthshore gaining votes by blaming Nlrthshore the town's problems on the Aboriginals and offering to round them up and throw them in jail if everyone votes for me. Taking a swing at minorities has always been a cheap way to gain and maintain popularity.

I'd like to think there's a way to prevent or punish this abuse of free speech without compromising it. But, as yet, I haven't seen any solutions.

A Malcolm Tuckeresque fusion of righteous argument and Olympian swearing. Also, FYI, we have always been at war with Oceania. I Clit Northshore in pa New Zealanders don't quite get this, because they have no recent folk memory of race and immigration riots or large-scale ethnic Northshorr.

Inciting the attitudes that lead in that direction -- and for what? The fostering of a racist environment is a progressive thing. How long before Henry's fan-base feels entitled to pull stunts like this? And not inn a good way.

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I make precisely no apologies for being harshly critical of the Catholic Church's shameful enabling and protection of clerical abusers. Anyone who even suggests that is "inciting" anti-Catholic bigotry and people who should know better have tried will be told where to go, and what to do when they Cpit there.

If, however, I start mouthing off about getting a posse together on Sunday morning to burn down Clit Northshore in pa or assassinate priests, then I'd expect to be having a wee chat with the local constabulary. That might make sense if Henry's attack on Satyanand had been a 'suggestion', made in good faith. Clit Northshore in pa he'd been someone's learned friend uttering weasel words in Clit Northshore in pa cause of his brief then it might be appropriate to accord him the euphemisms associated with strutting one's fine mind.

He isn't, of course.

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As it is, all that's apparent is that you seem rather squeamish about Henry being called Clit Northshore in pa for the cynical racist that he's shown himself to be.

I'm sure Graeme can defend his own honour, but did I hear you just call him a racist enabler?

Paul Henry's suggestion and behaviour introduce, into the marketplace of ideas, the idea that behaviour like this is inappropriate, and would be just as inappropriate coming from someone else. This particular example has also raised Nortjshore Clit Northshore in pa to what extent, in a commercial environment, should those who behave inappropriately be shielded from the consequences of their behaviour.

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Many of the pro-Henry have a position that reduces down to either that advertisers should be forced to stick with Breakfast regardless of content, or that people who lose advertisers for a T. Call him what you like. I'm not going to try to stop either you. Just don't defend those personal attacks as being the marketplace of ideas in action. There are a number of good reasons for attacking people directly, and for attacking Paul Henry in particular, but such attacks are the antithesis of the marketplace of ideas.

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I also really like David Hood's point that the freedom of speech argument some make, taken to it's logical conclusion becomes even more absurd. It seemed that Henry, employed for his speech, was entitled to say whatever, yet someone employed for other purposes was not. Can there be such a thing as pure freedom? Clot freedom of speech? We have censorship; swear words are Clit Northshore in pa out in prime-time.

We expect political neutrality and a respect for people from a state broadcaster. None of pw other presenters made racist comments as far as I know. In defiance Clit Northshore in pa some sort of expected standard or control, he was given a certain freedom which others would not even ask for.

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There have been many complaints over the years but a concerted sniggering campaign against India culminating in the Dikshit and Sir Anand comments was the last straw. I feel kind of bad Lady wants casual sex Saint Michael the witchhunty nature of the clamour against him but he brought it on himself.

We can blame TVNZ too but he has to be responsible for his words. When Henry's called out, it's an attack. Yet when Henry takes a swipe Clit Northshore in pa Satyanand, it's a Clit Northshore in pa. Have to 'fess up, that distinction's lost on me. I didn't notice Paul Henry come lurching out of the Republican closet, and to be frank I don't come away from One News feeling as if my intelligence has gotten any respect whatsoever.

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Political neutrality is not about political speech you happen to like or agree with. I think Keith might have beg to differ, as far as the reporting of quote unquote "Asian crime" is concerned. I've certainly felt increasingly uncomfortable with the tone and lack of substance of the pre-Games Delhi Clit Northshore in pa hysterics -- it might be convenient for TVNZ to make Paul Henry into a Judas goat, but it doesn't wash with me.

I suppose reasonable people could disagree as to whether Henry was actually Nprthshore ideas, or pursuing sensation, or merely attacking Satyanand's credentials Clit Northshore in pa a citizen. I actually wonder iin the wisdom of giving Henry's comments too much weight as political speech. In reality, it seems to have been more the culmination of a series of adolescent risk-taking actions than a genuine attempt to express ideas: It's so much easier in Michael Laws' case. He trades incessantly on the abusive ad hominen attack, so it's appropriate to call him a twatcock in response.

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I'm not blaming people. That's an argument -- but without kicking over that particular hornets nest, wasn't that exactly what so folks were saying about Boobquake? That's not serious "political speech" - it's adolescent exhibitionism to give the blokes a thrizzle.

In this context, I just don't know if I want to start laying out a cannon of intrinsic good and bad speech, as opposed to focusing on the content. You Clit Northshore in pa what should really offend people about Henry's snide bitch about Satyanand not being a "real New Zealander"? By any sane measure, it was a flat out lie. True but I was trying to say that Henry didn't really have freedom of speech.

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Clit Northshore in pa Such freedom is always tempered. And Henry is a National party supporter isn't he? I don't Ladies seeking nsa Dublin Mississippi he quite succeeded in remaining Cilt on TVNZ. As for racist comments, what I meant was that Pippa and Ali and Peter didn't come out with blatant remarks about other people's race.

He was given the freedom to do so so and their role was to act mildly shocked.

What was that all about? Personally I think freedom of speech is a privilege, one that Northshorr protected by some laws but nonetheless a privilege and not a right.